1. What is the coral paperweight a symbol of?
2. What is Julia's attitude toward the Inner Party?
3. Why does Winston trust Julia?
I believe that Winston has trust for Julia considering that they both obtain the same intentions; Both Winston and Julia are rebelling against the party, proving to Winston that after all, although his previous perspective of her was unsatisfactory, she was indeed trustworthy. In addition, they have bonded through their intimate relationship, however this would naturally lead one to believe that they can have certainty in that other person. Winston shows obvious character development when he changes his mind about Julia, as she was once the person that he would go great lengths to avoid. As well as everything else, Winston seems like he's not a hard person to influence, taking into account that he considered O'Brien, the man in the cubicle across from him, someone whom he has a connection with, only because they had made brief eye contact. It isn't much of a surprise that Winston has faith in Julia, and she has not yet done anything significantly negative to him to make him feel skeptical about her anymore.
Julia, like Winston, understands that the Inner Party is not what they say they are. The Inner Party pretends to be a benevolent government that works to help their citizens. Julia knows that they actually only look out for themselves, and oppress the rest of society. She refers to the Inner Party as swine showing her disgust. However, unlike Winston, Julia seeks to only passively rebel against the Inner Party by out smarting them, and having lustfull sex with numerous men. She, despite being smart enough to consistently outsmart the Inner Party, she does not want to commit to an actual rebellion against the Inner Party. This leads to Winston saying that she only hates the Inner Party from the waste down. Overall, Julia strongly dislikes the Inner Party, but is not determined enough for an organized rebellion.
Julia is far more intuitive and realistic than Winston. She understands the Party better than he does and is more cunning in the ways that she defies Party decisions. While Winston is emotional about the Party and its potential downfall, Julia feels his wishes are merely fantasy and is apathetic to the Party's action. She busies herself with getting around the Party unlike Winston who wishes to attack the Party at its center.
1) Is their relationship for a good or bad thing for the rebellion?
2) Will O'Brien be a helpful or hurtful component to Winston's plan?
3) Why does Winston feel like Julia is so perfect for him when their personalities are so much different?
I believe that Winston feels like Julia is perfect for him because of where he is in his life. Throughout the novel, so far, Winston has wanted and almost needed someone to confess his rebellion to. Now that he has, this established trust that has been created is now being mistaken for true love and perfection. Although their personalities differ, the trust that they have, which Winston needed has created an almost undeniable love from Winston causing him to believe that they are perfect for one another.
At first O'Brien will be hurtful by torturing him at the point that a guard smashes Winston’s elbow, so O'Brien prolongs him to torture sessions to convince him that everything that he says is right and then he will be helpful because O'Brien stops the pain that Winston is passing by and that the session are not that bad and that in fact there very helpful to make disappear the insane thoughts that he haves. An important quot from this part of the book where Winston is in the session is: "Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." and this means that who have control of the past ensures control of the future, because the past can be treated essentially as a set of conditions that justify or encourage future goals: if the past was idyllic, then people will act to re-create it; if the past was nightmarish, then people will act to prevent such circumstances from recurring.
I believe Winston thinks Julia is perfect for him, even though there personalities are so different because he has a companion. Throughout the novel, Winston was alone in his thoughts before he started taking to Julia and wished for someone (O'Brien in particular) would communicate his thoughts with him. He reflects on his relationship with Katherine and admits it was an intimate one, but not for the reasons he wanted an intimate relationship and if he had expressed rebelling against Big Brother Katherine would have turned him in. However, now he has Julia he could express these ideas with and she agrees with him. He also loves the idea of having this intimate relationship, a few times in the book he has imagined marrying Julia and gets worried that she maybe cheating on him. I believe Winston thinks him and Julia are perfect together because he has someone to express ideas to and loves the idea of being with another person.
I think that Winston and Julias relationship is good for the rebellion, Winston now has somebody that he can confess his rebellion to and knows he can trust her. I think that Winston does mistake their trust and desire to rebel for love and perfection, even though they are two completely different people i believe that winston think they are perfect for each other.
I believe Winston thinks that Julia is the only one who understands him even though they are nothing a like other than their thoughts about the party. Though he has her to actually listen about what he has to say and they do agree on most things. He finally has someone to talk to about his rebellion, I think their in love with the thought of being in love, he thinks he's perfect for her because she understands him.
3) I feel like he feels like she is good for him simply because he likes the though of having someone to love. I don't really see them actually making any progress, as they are very different people. With Julia, she is more self-centered and foused on bettering herself, whereas Winston, as much as he has not done anything, see the Party as a whole bad and something needs to be done about it. Because everyone in Oceania is less than bright, they really don't marry for love, but to benifit the Party. Since Julia and Winston both think like an individual, against the Party, they find an immediate connection between them and instantly connect, whether it be love or a rash action simply because they are both different. I feel, as much as Winston this differently, he is still in love with the idea of being in love with someone, rather than being in love with Julia.
I think their relationship is good for the rebellion because it'll influence other citizens to stand up and fight. O'Brien is not helpful at all because he betrays Wilson and turns him in. Winston thinks Julia is perfect because she is lowkey rebelling too but in an indirect way through having sec with multiple men.
1) With Julia being so smart and having so many connections how is it that she doesn't remember the past but Winston does? Could Winston's past be incorrect?
2) What are we supposed to feel about Julia?
3) What are things that Julia does that seems wrong even in our world? Is she good for Winston?
Julia's behavior is disturbing, even given the standards in Oceania. She thrives on corruption, finding ways around every rule and she uses her sexuality to obtain things that normal party members could never get. However, even though she breaks rule after rule, she pretends to be a model citizen. Ultimately, I think the reader is meant to be hesitant to like Julia.
As far as her relationship with Winston, I think she is both good and bad for him. She gives him hope and motivation, which are crucial for him and his goals going forward, but I believe she could also have a bad influence on him and get him in trouble later on. After all, we have seen before that she really only seems to care about herself, and if she ever gets caught, who is to say she won't throw Winston under the bus?
I think that what Julia does that seems wrong on our world is sell herself and only care about herself at times. She gives out her body for as a rebellious act and to get things that she wants and is very proud of it. She is also very doubtful of of a group that rebels and takes for granted other people who go against the party, only doing rebellious acts for herself even though she is smart enough to organize something bigger.
I think were supposed to feel like Julia is on Winstons side about big brother. She encourages his thoughts and even does things that is against big brother. But we low-key know that Julia is against Winston and she's trying to get him in trouble. We know this because she acts like some things are going too far against big brother. I think Winston is also confused on how to feel about Julia because of their relationship. Julia still could be part of the thought police based on how she retaliates against big brother.
Julia tends to do things differently compared to Winston,this being the way she to rebels against the system,she doesn't really do serve things that would have the entire systems against her,sure she breaks the rules by having sex for self pleasure but what does it really do? Either then that i feel like she could be good for Winston but the again i feel like they're self centered about their ideas and are only interested on each others thoughts to rebel.
3). Julia seems to sleep around with a lot of different people, that is frowned up usually in any world. Julia represents the elements of humanity that Winston does not: pure sexuality, cunning, and survival. They seem to be an odd couple but they feel so strongly in their hatred of Big Brother and the Party that they are willing to do anything to help the Brotherhood, as long as they can never stop seeing each other. Julia is good for Winston and he for her because they have the same interests .
Julia does a few things that would seem wrong even in our world. First of all, she feels as though it's okay to sleep with as many people as she wants, which is socially looked down upon in both the book and in our society. She believes that in order to get what she wants, she just has to have sexual relations with someone in power. Not only her actions, but her thought process and beliefs about sexual relations would be looked down upon in our current society.
To me Julia should not be trusted because of these facts I have read. Julia has a very disturbing behavior. She is a person that likes to thrive when there is corruption. She looks for ways around the rules. Also she uses you sexuality to control things that the normal party members could not get.
Her relationship with Winston. I believe she doesn't care about him. She is a person that only cares about herself. By her description she seems like the person that would throw Winston under the bus if she gets in trouble.
Question 1: If you were Julia. What would be your reaction and thoughts if Winston told you, " The first time I saw you. I wanted to rape and murder you." ? Explain your answer clearly.
Question 2: How would you feel if you got a note saying I LOVE YOU from someone that is your enemy?
Explain your answer clearly.
Question 3: What are your thoughts on the relationship of Winston and Julia?
Explain your answer clearly.
If I were Julia and Winston had told me that the first time he saw me he wished to rape and kill me I would have mixed emotions. Julia is the type of person who wants to have sexual relations with someone. She can understand that someone else would want to as well. While it might sound really bad to us in our world it might not sound bad if we were put into theirs. They are constantly afraid of being killed without even having a chance to defend themselves. Although their lives might not mean much, they still don't want to die and be forgotten. Winston believed he was being followed and his first reaction was to protect himself. Maybe the raping part was taking it a bit over the top but if she was going to kill him and she was working for the government then in his mind she would just be getting what she deserved and he would get a little something out of it as well as living and not dying. If I were Julia I might be a bit unsettled about Winston's thought at first but after I thought about why he would feel that way I would understand in a sense why. I wouldn't necessarily think the same thing as Winston if j were in his shoes but I would understand his thought process.
Hearing that someone loved me that was an enemy would be a shocking revelation at first. Then after a while the reason behind the love would develop in my head. Would thenlove just be a simple rebellion against the government or would it be genuine? Could the love be something that truly helps the rebellion or would it be something that doesn't matter to anyone. The love would tear me apart because i wouldn't know why she would love me.
Overall, the relationship of Winston and Julia is a very strong, genuine relationship. Both hate the society they live in. Although they come from different backgrounds, and have different motives, they both are rebelling against the party and that makes the connection between them even stronger. However, Winston and Julia may be more in love with the idea of loving someone. They may just be in love with each other as part of their act to rebel. Ultimately, the relationship is built around the idea of rebelling against the society they live in, and to help with the constant depression and loneliness Winston feels.
I think Winston feels like his and Julia's relationship is a goo thing because he's never had anyone in the world he could trust. And now Therese this person who also doesn't like the party and also say that she loves Winston. There is a lot of trust and communication in a relationship. Even thought they don't have the same ideas on how to do things they live in a world that the idea of love and trust is non existed. They can find that in each other.
Julias attitude torward the inner party is that they are all self centered swine. She knows that the inner party is trying to keep control of the prolls and not educate them on everything they are doing wrong. So she will do all of her small rebellious acts that only benefit her. But as a society she looks like a pig, the same way she thinks of the inner party which makes it really ironic (meaning her sleeping around is her way of rebelling) But her outlook is just ironic.
Winston and Julia's relationship is very complicated, for starters their first contact was over note reading I love you. Considering they had never talked that is a weird start to a relationship. Then Winston tells her that the first time he say her he wanted to rape and kill her. Julia is also not interested in much of what Winston is, when he tries to talk about it Julia doesn't care to learn or listen to what he has to say. For example he was trying to tell her about his mother and sister and she had no interest in the subject. Their only real reasons of being together are physical and them both wanting to rebel against the party.
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